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Staro 22-06-2012, 16:10   #1
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Law in Europe

In the United Kindom, by far the biggest market for electronic cigarettes in Europe, the sale, importation, and use of E-Cigs is legal. There is currently no specific legislation that covers the use of electronic cigarettes across the whole European Union, although that could be about to change as the EU is currently debating banning all smokeless tobacco throughout Europe. You can read more about this
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Until any Europe wide legislation is introduced, member states can set their own regulations. Here are some country specific regulations on the use of E-Cigs:


Austria - Electronic cigarettes are regarded as a medical product, and therefore need to be registered before being sold to the public.
Belgium - The sale of E-Cigs is banned in Belgium.
Denmark - Here it is illegal to buy smokeless cigarettes. The marketing and distribution of them is also banned.
Finland - Sale of cartridges is illegal, although it is legal to import them for personal use over the Internet.
Germany - It is currently legal to buy and use electronic cigarettes in Germany, although they have been classed as a medical device in some states.
Netherlands - Legal to use and purchase, but advertising of E-Cigs is banned.
Norway – The sale or importation of electronic cigarettes is illegal.


Any Europe wide legislation would cover all 27 countries in the European Union.

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Legislation in the USA

On April 25th 2011 The US Food and Drug Administration made an announcement that electronic cigarettes will be regulated as a tobacco product. This is good news for E-Cig users as electronic cigarettes are now officially recognized by the United States government and their importation is no longer prohibited.
It is however a concern that E-Cigs are now classed as a tobacco product. The use of Electronic Cigarettes is clearly different to regular smoking, and it is our view that they should be classified separately.
Smoking laws vary widely from state to state, and at present there is no nationwide smoking ban in effect. However many states do operate smoking bans, and in some states these bans also cover the use of electronic cigarettes. Here we look at legislation state by state.
First off, to simplify things, here’s a list of states where there is currently no legislation covering the sale and use of electronic cigarettes. Any current smoking bans in these states cover just tobacco, not e cigs:
Much of the legislation in the remaining states simply prevents the sale of E-Cigs to minors. At Electronic Cigarette Facts we support such legislation, and agree that it is fair and sensible. The details of legislation in the remaining states is as follows:

Arizona - Under 18s are not able to buy or possess e-cigs.
California - The sale of e-cigs to minors is prohibited. Governor Schwarzenneger vetoed a 2009 bill which would have made all use of electronic cigarettes illegal.
Colorado - Electronic cigarettes have been classified as a tobacco product, and therefore are not use and sale to minors is prohibited.
Conneticut - Although Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal vowed in 2009 to ban electronic cigarettes completely, their use is restricted only to minors.
Kentucky - It looks as though state law will be passed to add electronic cigarettes to current legislation that bans smoking indoors. This legislation is already in effect in Bullitt County and Madison County.
Massachusetts - There are regulations covering the indoor use of electronic cigarettes and sale to minors in South Hadley, North Attelboro and Somerset.
Minnesota - The sale of any product containing nicotine to minors is banned.
Missouri - Smoking E-Cigs is banned except in private homes, vehicles, and some hotel rooms.
Nebraska - Due to their nicotine content, electronic cigarettes cannot be sold to minors.
New Jersey - The use of electronic cigarettes is prohibited in all public buildings.
Oregon - State politicians have prevented the sale of E-Cigs in retail stores. Use of electronic cigarettes is legal, but consumers have to buy over the Internet.
Tennessee - There is a proposed total ban on the sale and distribution of E-Cigarettes. Currently the sale to minors is prohibited, as is use in public places.
Utah - Sale to minors is banned, as is the sale in correctional facilities and state mental health facilities.
Washington - Smoking electronic cigarettes in public places is banned in King County.
Wisconsin - The sale of products containing nicotine is not allowed to minors.

We aim to keep this information as up to date as possible. If you have any information about changes to legislation in any state, then please contact us using the comment box below.

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Staro 22-06-2012, 16:15   #3
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Safety fears over Electronic Cigarettes because they are Unclean and Unregulated
Posted by EU Times on Apr 16th, 2012

Health experts are demanding tighter controls on electronic cigarettes amid fears customers could be exposed to poisonous chemicals.
The nicotine vapour inhaler devices are not subject regulation, and fears are growing that people could be subjected to ‘unclean’ and ‘unsafe’ products.
The devices hit the headlines earlier this year when it emerged Standard Life had banned its employees from smoking ‘e-cigs’ at their desks.
Many of the electronic cigarette brands readily available in the UK are imported without control and inspection from other countries, including China.
E-cigs do not contain tobacco and therefore are not regulated by Tobacco Product Regulations, they are also not classed as medical devices so can not be regulated in the same way as other nicotine replacement products.
The devices, which can be charged through a computer USB port, were invented by a Chinese pharmacist in 2004.
Prof John Britton, chair of the Royal College of Physicians Tobacco Advisory Group, said that regulating e-cigarettes would ensure a ‘guaranteed standard’ for consumers was met.
He said: ‘Electronic cigarettes have the potential to save thousands of lives, but the fact that they are unregulated is bad as it leaves people open to using unclean and unsafe products.
‘Electronic cigarettes can not be seen as being as safe as other regulated nicotine replacement therapies which meet pharmaceutical standards, these products are tested and have additives in them that we know to be safe – e-cigarettes don’t have this.
‘The concept of nicotine replacement is powerful and good, but e-cigarettes are really testing this system – they are new and they are unregulated. Regulation would be useful and it would be nice to clean up the loopholes.
‘At the moment electronic cigarettes may list the contents on the side of the packet, but there is no way of proving that this is the true content as there is no regulation.
‘Electronic cigarettes are probably positive and if everyone switched to e-cigarettes it could potentially save millions of lives, but regulation would certainly be useful at this time,’ he added.
A lack of regulation has led several countries, including Canada, Australia, and Singapore to ban the products because of fears over possible side-effects.
Jean King, Cancer Research UK’s director of tobacco control, warned that e-cigarettes do not have the same safety standards as some other nicotine containing products.
She added: ‘E-cigarettes are unlicensed products. This means there are no national safety standards or controls as to how they are sold.
‘Also, little is known about their ingredients or the reliability of nicotine dosage. The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) is considering whether to regulate e-cigarettes and other new products that contain nicotine. At least until the MHRA reports back, Cancer Research UK does not recommend the use of e-cigarettes.’
SkyCig is the largest distributor of e-cigarettes in Scotland and has around 20,000 customers. A spokeswoman from the company said it estimated it replaced around 24 million tobacco cigarettes across the UK last year.
She added: ‘We absolutely welcome tighter regulations on e-cigarette products. It will help the industry grow to its potential by only allowing the best products to be distributed.
‘Our products have been evaluated by the Edinburgh Scientific Services and we are also working with hire quality standard associations which we cannot disclose at the time.’
A typical electronic cigarette contains a nicotine cartridge, a vaporiser, with electronic circuitry and sensors and a battery.
Depending on the brand a cartridge may contain between 0-16mg of nicotine. The cartridge may contain additional chemicals, including propylene glycol, water and various flavourings.
On inhalation the cartridge is heated and a fine mist containing approximately 20 ingredients is produced. This mist is absorbed into the lungs, although some odourless vapour is released into the air as the smoker exhales.
Anti-tobacco group, ASH Scotland, warned that the lack of safety information on the cigarettes was a ‘concern’.
Chief Executive, Sheila Duffy, said: ‘Evidence on the safety of e-cigarettes is limited and existing regulation of the product isn’t consistent, which concerns us. We’re awaiting a the results of research from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency in Spring 2013, which will give more clarity on the harmfulness and efficacy of this product.
‘Even more concerning, however, is that e-cigarettes also look like real cigarettes and are able to be used in many places where smoking is banned.
Tobacco is not a normal product – it kills half of its consumers if used as intended. As a society we have a responsibility to protect young people by moving away from giving the impression that smoking is a desirable thing to do.’

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E-Cigarettes - No Toxic Effects from Inhaled Propylene Glycol Aerosol

One of the key ingredients in many e-cigarette liquids is propylene glycol (PG), described by Wikipedia
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol
as a “colorless, nearly odorless, clear, viscous liquid with a faintly sweet taste…” The entry also explains that PG is used “as a moisturizer in medicines, cosmetics, food, toothpaste, shampoo, mouth wash, hair care and tobacco products…, in smoke machines to make artificial smoke for use in firefighters' training and theatrical productions” and “as a moisture stabilizer (humectant) for snus” among many other applications.

A new study provides valuable information about the toxicological profile of inhaled PG aerosols in laboratory animals; it also provides an excellent general review of the agent. The authors are Michael Werley, a scientist at Altria, and colleagues from Charles River Laboratories (Scotland), WIL Research Laboratories, Battelle Memorial Institute and Virginia Commonwealth University. It was published in the journal Toxicology
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The investigators exposed rats and dogs to high concentrations of PG aerosol for up to 28 days, followed by comprehensive systemic evaluations, especially involving the respiratory system.

They report, “In general, these studies confirmed the relatively low toxic potential of [aerosol] PG, administered by various dose routes, including the inhalation route…in the dog, no histopathological effects on the [larynx, trachea and lung] tissues were observed.” The investigators noted decreases in some assessments of red blood cells in dogs treated for 28 days, but “these effects were not clinically significant in the dog and had no effect upon their activity of health”, and “the values still within the normal historical ranges for dogs of this age, strain and sex.”

Werley and colleagues added that, “overall, PG inhalation exposure in rats and dogs produced quite limited toxicological findings, and allowed us to conclude that [aerosol] PG exposures could be conducted safely in man by the inhalation route…”

This study assessed the effects of short-term exposure to PG vapor, but the effects of long-term (months or years) exposure are unknown and unknowable. However, it provides valuable information for e-cigarette users and policy makers. First, even high concentrations of PG vapor don’t have any measurable harmful effects, which is fully consistent with its designation by the FDA as “generally recognized as safe” as a food additive for all food categories up to 2%
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http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/fcn/fcnDetailNavigation.cfm?rpt=scogsListing&id=264"
. Just as important, there will be no impact on bystanders from “second-hand” exposure to e-cigarette vapor, if it occurs at all.

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http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/2011/08/e-cigarettes-no-toxic-effects-from.html
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Electronic cigarettes: A safer way to puff (The Independent Tuesday 17 January 2012 )



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Electronic Cigarettes & Health


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European Union Poised to Ban Electronic Cigarettes, Forcing Smokers to Be Able to Use Only the Most Hazardous Possible Nicotine-Containing Products

According to a working document leaked to the Tobacco Journal International, the European Union's revised Tobacco Products Directive contains a recommended ban on the marketing of all electronic cigarettes. More broadly, the Directive contains a ban on the marketing of all smokeless nicotine-containing products with the one exception of Swedish snus. This means that not only electronic cigarettes, but dissolvable tobacco products, orbs and strips, and all smokeless tobacco other than Swedish snus would also be banned.

According to the leaked draft of the Directive: "Only NCP [nicotine-containing products] that are authorised as medicinal products on the basis of their quality, safety and efficacy, and with a positive benefit/risk balance are allowed on the market. Otherwise, marketing of NCP is banned."

Because electronic cigarettes (as well as other nicotine-delivering products such as dissolvable tobacco products) have not been authorized as medicinal products (i.e., drugs), they would not be allowed on the market under this draft directive.

Christopher Snowdon first broke this story last Friday. At that time, no actual text of the document was available so I chose not to blog this. Now that Tobacco Journal International has released the text of the leaked document, I can confirm that the directive does indeed recommend a ban on all smokeless nicotine-containing products (other than Swedish snus).

The Rest of the Story

What the Tobacco Products Directive is basically saying is that the EU wants to make sure that the most hazardous nicotine-containing products (cigarettes) - and only the most hazardous nicotine-containing products - remain on the market and available to Europe's nicotine users. This is essentially a strategy to maximize disease and death in Europe.

Does it not make more sense to ensure the availability of the safest nicotine-containing products, allowing them to compete with cigarettes and to encourage smokers to quit? This is especially true of electronic cigarettes, which contain no tobacco, have a decent toxocological profile, and have been shown to result in high rates of cessation or smoking reduction, even among unmotivated smokers.

The strategy also ensures that the least effective smoking cessation products remain available to smokers in Europe and that more promising strategies (such as electronic cigarettes and any subsequent innovations based on the e-cigarette concept) do not see the light of day.

This proposal protects the interests of the cigarette and pharmaceutical industries at the expense of the public's health.

In a column entitled "Smokers only allowed to buy deadly tobacco cigarettes in New Zealand? – Ministry of Health moves to ban nicotine electronic cigarettes," Dr. Murray Laugesen explains why a similar proposal by the New Zealand Ministry of Health that would ban electronic cigarettes makes no sense and would harm the public's health. According to the article: "Dr Laugesen says it is clearly not in the public interest to run a prosecution against sellers of nicotine e-cigarettes which the Ministry of Health itself says are "far safer" than tobacco cigarettes, when banning them is expected to send hundreds of users back to smoking tobacco cigarettes. In 2010 End Smoking NZ identified e-cigarettes as one of the top four policies for ending tobacco smoking in New Zealand in an article in the New Zealand Medical Journal."

Dr. Laugesen goes on to write: "Persistent tobacco smokers face a lifetime 50 percent risk of dying early, and according to End Smoking NZ are entitled to have access to buy whatever nicotine product would most help them quit. Nicotine products do not cause cancer or heart disease, unlike smoked tobacco products. If there is a tiny risk from nicotine, many smokers are prepared to take that risk, rather than run the deadly risks of smoking tobacco. Smokers interested in switching to nicotine electronic cigarettes should be able to buy them over the counter at any dairy or supermarket, just like tobacco cigarettes."

I can only echo Dr. Laugesen's comments and note that they apply equally well to the European Union.

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Nisam siguran da sam izabrao dobro mesto za ovo pisanije...
...da skratim priču i razvoj dogadjaja - danas mi komšika, inače pušač, kaže da je čitala da je elektronska cigareta jako štetna...
Pretpostavljam da je to neki tekst tipa ovo
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Svestan sam raznih anti-e cig kampanja, ali zaista ne znam šta da mislim? Jednostavno, sve češće i češće nailazim na ovakve "informacije"...
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Ja da sam na tvom mestu odmah bih se vratio na analogne
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U Britaniji ima oko 650.000 korisnika e cigarete.
650.000 x 3 funti (neka to bude prosek i da ljudi puse 1 kutiju dnevno) = 1.9500.000 funti svakodnevnog gubitka duvanskih industrija.
Kapiram da im ne bi bio problem da svaki dan plate nekom doktoru par hiljada kako bi izjavio nesto protiv e cigarete.


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U Britaniji ima oko 650.000 korisnika e cigarete.
650.000 x 3 funti (neka to bude prosek i da ljudi puse 1 kutiju dnevno) = 1.9500.000 funti svakodnevnog gubitka duvanskih industrija.
Kapiram da im ne bi bio problem da svaki dan plate nekom doktoru par hiljada kako bi izjavio nesto protiv e cigarete.
Najjeftinije cigarete su oko Ł6.5, a Marlborough je negde oko Ł7.5.

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U tom slucaju jos gore za duvanske industrije.


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Btw. Upravo u Britaniji, a imamo o tome na forumu, jedan od aduta tada pokrenute kampanje protiv elektronskih cigareta bila je tvrdnja da tecnost sadrzi 18% nikotina, cime su pokazali da sa matematikom ne stoje nikako.
Obzirom na dokazano stetne hemikalije koje se nalaze u prehrambenim proizvodima koji se svakodnevno reklamiraju ovi strucnjaci ili ne stoje dobro i sa ostalim granama nauke ili je nesta drugo u pitanju.
Pogledajte na Internetu sta je Aspartam ili Aspartame, pa potrazite u kojim ga sve proizvodima ima.
Radi se o zasladjivacu.

Aspartam zasigurno nije tema za forum ali kredibilitet onih koji ga dozvoljavaju jeste.

Aspartam je kancerogen?
Procenjuje se da danas taj veštački zaslađivač svakodnevno koristi više od 200 miliona ljudi, kroz više od šest hiljada proizvoda, od pića, keksa i bombona, preko jogurta, do čak više od 500 lekova, među kojima je najviše - dečjih sirupa.

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Kancer,kance, kancer...pa sta da mu radim. Ako ne umrem od kancera mozda me uhvati neka infekcija suljeva pa cu da umrem od bolnih proliva..Na kraju krajeva ako dobijem kancer bar cu imati dovoljno vremena da se pokajem za sve svoje grehe, kako znane tako i neznane. Ne bih pred Gospoda neokajanih grehova..

I jos jedna stvar: Gospod je rekao:

"Ne pogani čoveka što ulazi u usta; nego što izlazi iz usta ono pogani čoveka"

Pa sada kom opanci kom obojci...

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Nigde nisam našao informaciju šta se dešava sagorevanjem Pg-a, Vg-a i ostalih sastojaka e -tečnosti (da pretpostavimo da su poznate, mada ni to nije kontrolisano) pri sagorevanju na atomizeru? Da li tu postoje neke nus pojave i koje? Odnosno - u kojoj meri se truješ i čime? To zaista želim da znam.
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Ali to nije razlog da se vratim analognim cigaretama (šali se Liber hehe), one su iza mene (mada jesam recidivirao, o tome naknadno).
Najbolje je bataliti sve, ali i to je u mom slučaju malo verovatno jer sam hedonista i prosto uživam u ovome...
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Kad uzmeš da pušiš duvan ti manje-više znaš čime se truješ.
Nigde nisam našao informaciju šta se dešava sagorevanjem Pg-a, Vg-a i ostalih sastojaka e -tečnosti (da pretpostavimo da su poznate, mada ni to nije kontrolisano) pri sagorevanju na atomizeru? Da li tu postoje neke nus pojave i koje? Odnosno - u kojoj meri se truješ i čime? To zaista želim da znam.
To me zbunjuje i nervira.
Ali to nije razlog da se vratim analognim cigaretama (šali se Liber hehe), one su iza mene (mada jesam recidivirao, o tome naknadno).
Najbolje je bataliti sve, ali i to je u mom slučaju malo verovatno jer sam hedonista i prosto uživam u ovome...
Istina je negde na sredini, imajte to u vidu
Ne salim se Kad bih i jednog momenta razmisljao o tome o cemu ti razmisljas, vratio bih se na analogne. Svi se verovatno dobro secamo eksperimanta kad dunes dim od cigare kroz maramicu. A sta ostane u plucima? Ako si nekad koristio neku od onih mustikli sto filtriraju dim iz cigara i ako si je cistio, jasno ti je o cemu pricam, a to je samo mali deo onoga sto ostane u plucima. Na kraju krajeva, dovoljno je da pogledas filter posle ispusene cigare. Probaj da dunes paru kroz maramicu. Propilen glikol je u sirokoj primeni i za inhalaciju i u prehrambenim proizvodima i u lekovima i do sad nije bio stetan pa nema razloga ni sad da postane, a bilo je o tome reci i na forumu pa ne bih da ponavljam. VG takodje. Ostalo su sve uglavnom prehrambeni sastojci koji su i inace zastupljeni u mnogo vecoj meri u drugim prehrambenim proizvodima, samo sto se unose na druge nacine. Ako prehrambene namirnice isparavanjem postaju toksicne, onda bi se domacice masovno trovale udisanjem isparenja prilikom kuvanja rucka. Rostiljske kobasice su pune aditiva, pa da li to znaci da neko kome je radno mesto za rostiljom 8 sati dnevno treba da nosi gas masku? Svi znamo koliko otrova ima u cigarama, u samom listu duvana a da ne pominjemo aditive i sad neko postavlja pitanje potencijalne stetnosti PG-a, VG-a i prehrambenih aroma u mikro dozama. Ne kazem da je koriscenje tecnosti za e-cigarete zdravo, ali nije toliko stetno kao sto pokusava da se prikaze a sagurno 1000 puta manje stetno od cigareta i verovatno mnogo manje stetno od recimo preterano masne hrane ili pojedinih kobasica, pasteta i salama. Mnogo toga stetnog unosimo u sebe da bi nas prinuli PG, VG i sastojci arome. Jedini problematican je nikotin, i njega treba smanjiti koliko gode je to moguce, odnostno koliko nam dozvoljava nasa nikotinska zavisnost.
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Kad uzmeš da pušiš duvan ti manje-više znaš čime se truješ.
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