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Staro 17-02-2012, 13:12   #1
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Uobičajeno U ustima mu eksplodirala elektronska cigareta

Slucajno naletim na ovaj clanak pa neznam da li je istina ili ne. Kao sto vecina nas vec zna moguci su problemi sa baterijama ali to obicno nije ovako dramaticno. Jedino ako baterija nije imala otvore da ispusti gasove pa se to nakupilo.

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http://www.cujovo.com/u-ustima-mu-eksplodirala-elektricna-cigareta/?utm_source=linkeri.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=linkeri
Muškarac iz Floride zadobio je teške povrede nakon što mu je u ustima eksplodirala električna cigareta.
Tom Holovej iz Floride sedeo je u dnevnom boravku i pušio električnu cigaretu kad je odjednom njegova žena čula glasan prasak.

Rekla je kako joj se činilo kao da je u kući eksplodirala neka veća petarda, a zatim je čula vrisak svog supruga.

Ekspolozija je Holoveju izbila sve zube i otkinula deo jezika, te se trenutno oporavlja u bolnici.

Za nesreću je najverovatnije odgovorna neispravna baterija u cigareti, a nakon eksplozije u sobi je izbio i manji požar.

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Staro 17-02-2012, 13:33   #2
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pa shta znam sve je moguce, mora da je pushio neki shit od pljuge pod jedan, pod dva reta amerikanac nije ocistio pljugu ni jednom, i ko zna shta josh nije uradio kako treba, shto se od amera i ocekuje :P
kad se neshto ovako zvanicno desi u srbiji ili u nekoj 'inteligentnijoj' zemlji onda cu da razmishljam na tu temu

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Staro 17-02-2012, 13:38   #3
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Sve je moguce, istinu na ruku baterije najvise trpe prilikom
punjenja i ekstremnih praznjenja.
Postoji mogucnost da je doslo do kratkog spoja i baterija se naglo praznila
oslobadjajuci gasove pod pritiskom a sigurnosni ventil (koj inace mora da postoji)
je omanuo i doslo do pucanja. *desavalo se i sa mobilnim i laptopovima
E sad, ono sto je meni potpuno neverovatno su navodne povrede koje su
po meni vise nego nerealne, ali ajde. *mora da naplati osiguranje

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Staro 17-02-2012, 13:46   #4
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Jedan video sa napomenom da je baterija MNOGO veca od onih koje korise u e-cigarama
kao i da je na videu prikazano EKSTREMNO prepunjavanje bez zastite.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMy2_qNO2Y0

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hahaha hahahah da slazem se! izbio mu SVE zube i DEO jezika, mislim da to ne moze da se desi ni da je drzao u ustima 5 peterdi!
ali osiguranje keva, dice im lovu i sve cool.

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... i nasmeja se na sve strane

“Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyways.”
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... i nasmeja se na sve strane
Puko je od srece

Salu na stranu , ovo je paste odlicnog clanka sa e-cigarette-forum-a

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In early 2012 there have been two recent events, one with no subsequent news but with separate reports of veracity from three members; and one in FL widely reported in the world media, which has done us no good at all. The two most recent events appear to have been serious, with the victims in ER after suffering extensive facial injuries.

This unfortunately shows that the situation is not improving, probably simply because the number of mods being sold is increasing dramatically.

Here are some itemised points of note:
ECF has had a total of around 8 reports of 'facial explosions' and 'rocket-mode fails' now. However, asking around vendors, many of them do know of events that were not reported on ECF and where teeth were knocked out or similar. This leads us to think there may have been about double this number - perhaps 15 blowups in total.
All explosions reported so far involve metal tube mods with two batteries in series.
Box mods are not implicated. Apart from electrical factors such as a plastic or wood body, there is the likelihood that gas will escape from a squonk hole, and/or the lid/door will simply blow off at the first outgas stage before the violent second-stage outgas.
The explosions started a long time ago with early mods, and still occur with the latest models.
Single-battery mods of any kind have never been implicated in an explosion, as far as we are aware at ECF.
All lithium battery types, either single or in pairs, can suffer from a meltdown including heat, gas and flame. There are no exceptions to this. There is no such thing as a 'safe' lithium battery of any kind. There is a difference between meltdown and explosion though: the explosions always happen to stacked batteries in metal tube mods.
The safest battery is the largest battery, because one of the factors that causes the explosions is that the batteries are too small for the job. Smaller batteries ARE NOT safer. Even a little RC123 cell (16340) has around the same explosive power as a grenade of the same size. It's more than enough to do the job, when it's in front of your face.
All reported explosions have involved paired RC123-size cells: that is, 16340 size batteries used in series, aka 'stacked'.
Any/every size and type of cell can be reported as involved in a meltdown, since every cell will suffer meltdown if abused and/or faulty.

Some notes on mod safety features

Anyone who has worked in engineering for a few years will know the most basic rule of engineering, sometimes called Murphy's Law of Engineering: if it can go wrong, it will someday, at the worst possible time.

To build a mod without taking this into account (and especially a metal tube mod) is not something done by an engineer, it is a lash-up done to save $5. Don't buy a metal tube mod that can use two batteries if it has no safety features: it wasn't built by an engineer, it was built by a Mickey Mouse bodger.

Gas vents
In all the reports of explosions we have received where there was some way gas could escape, there was a first-stage outgas lasting about two seconds where hot gas and flame vented strongly from available apertures, followed by a violent second-stage outgas where, if there was not enough vent cross-sectional area to release the gas, the mod exploded. Gas vent holes will not stop such an explosion.

In other cases, there was sufficient vent cross-section, and the second-stage vent resulted in a violent outgas but no explosion. In this case, fires were started when the mod was in contact with furniture or a carpet, as the mod acted as a small flame-thrower. Also, these cases have included incidents where the second-stage outgas was of such force that the mod launched itself like a rocket.

What this shows is that small gas vents are simply a warning device. If they are placed for example around the circumference of the mod tube - the ideal position - then the hot gas and flame of the first-stage outgas will burn the holding hand and the mod will be dropped. The explosion then occurs when the mod is on the floor, away from the face.

With no gas vents at all, if the batteries go into thermal runaway, there is no warning and the mod explodes in the face.

The ideal design for a metal tube mod would be to have three milled slots in the tube body: three slots, equally spaced around the circumference, of around 50mm / 2 inches length or so, and 4mm / 5/32nds width. This cross-sectional area should allow the second-stage outgas to escape without causing an explosion, and a blowout plug would not be needed.

Mini e-cigs
Minis like the 510 and KR808 don't explode, even though they are steel tubes. This is because they all have built-in digital monitoring and protection. In addition, they all have a bottom-end blowout plug.

Mid-size e-cigs like the eGo and Riva are not likely to explode because they have integral protection. If they all had end plugs it would also help. As single-cell units, the risk is low. However they seem to suffer from more meltdowns than any other type, maybe because there are more of them.



Mod / battery failure modes

There are three failure modes we know of:

1. Meltdown mode
A battery fails and melts down with extreme heat, flame, and some gas. This can occur to all and every lithium battery type when provoked. There is no type of lithium cell immune to this, all have been reported as failing in this mode. It is simply to be expected, when abused.

Abuse = overcharged, or asked to deliver too much current for the cell size, or dropped and damaged, or showing a clear electrical issue but never checked on a meter, or the outer sleeve torn and the cell shorting out to the metal body of the mod, or the on/off switch jammed on in a pocket, or something shorted out by keys or change in a purse, or a faulty adaptor shorting out - etc. There are a lot of ways to make a battery fail.

2. Rocket mode
This is where the second-stage outgas, which is violent and prolonged, manages to find sufficient vent cross-sectional area to avoid a containment explosion, but the powerful gas jet exiting the large hole propels the mod away like a rocket, complete with flames, in a spectacular firework effect. The gas from all lithium battery failures is hydrogen, which is produced in large volume when some cell types fail, and ignites when there is a heat source of sufficient temperature, which the cell failure will eventually provide.

3. Grenade mode
With no real gas exit of any significant cross-sectional area, the mod explodes at the second-stage outgas. If there were no weak point at all, the casing would fragment like a grenade, as what we have here is basically a pipe bomb: a sealed metal container with an internal fast gas production source. However there will always be one weak point: the atomizer connection. If nothing else blows, the top end fitting will be blown off into the user's face, very much like a low-velocity 9mm explosive bullet, as this is basically what it is.

With a bottom-end blowout plug, this will blow off first. The reaction vector will propel the mod into the user's face with a very fast, short, sharp shock - but no serious damage will be done. There might be damage to the holding hand, if the end was obscured by the hand at the time.

All these fail modes have been experienced, and reported on ECF.

Time factors
Explosions seem to happen immediately after charging, on first use, on the first press of the switch. Every report with full details says this.

With an available gas vent or vents to show it, there is usually a first outgas of about two seconds, producing an intense jet of hot gas from the vent/s.

An explosion may then occur (frequently after the user has dropped the unit); or if there is sufficient gas vent area, the outgassing sharply intensifies and a jet of gas strong enough to act as a flamethrower may be produced. It seems a good idea to have dropped it by this stage. With no gas vents, the unit would simply explode.



Current advice
So that is the basic information we have at this date. As a result, the following advice can be given at this time:
For ultimate safety, use a single-battery mod.
For high-voltage, use a single-battery mod with a booster circuit of some kind.
Use the best and most expensive battery you can get. It doesn't seem worth it to economise on batteries. Our opinion is that, at this time, the AW IMR 'red' cell has the best reputation. It is a lithium-managanese 'safe chemistry' cell that does not need the integral protection circuit a Li-ion cell needs. Although these have never been known to explode, no lithium battery, ultimately, is absolutely safe: they will certainly meltdown with plenty of heat and flame if abused; and if they were sealed into a perfectly gastight container, and then made to fail, an explosion might result under those particular conditions.
We know that using a two-battery metal tube mod is intrinsically more dangerous because these are where the explosions are.
Using such a mod with no proper gas vents and no bottom-end blowout plug seems to involve the highest risk.
You should think very carefully before buying a metal tube mod with no physical safety features.
Mods need safety features because nobody really knows what battery they have, you just assume it is what it says on the label. But there are a whole lot more Gucci handbags out there than the factory ever made. Lots of people think they have a Gucci handbag but they don't.
Mods need safety features because users make mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. If your safety depends on never making a mistake, then you are not safe.
Mods need safety features because the battery condition may be faulty but not have been noticed. Some mod owners don't even own a meter, so we know this is going to happen in some cases.
You should think very carefully before buying the cheapest batteries you can get, then stacking them. Especially in a metal tube mod. And especially in one short on safety features.
Batteries all have a C Rating. Don't use batteries with a C Rating below 2 amps (2,000mA) as they are not up to the job.
Bigger batteries are safer because they can handle the heavy load an atomizer puts on them. No big battery (i.e. an 18500 or larger) has ever exploded.
All batteries can meltdown and cause a fire if faulty and/or abused.
DON'T put a mod in your pocket or purse with the atomizer connected or the master switch (if fitted) on; or with keys and change; and adapters can be treacherous, so be careful.

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Barem 1000 je bilo slucajeva gde je osoba izgorela u stanu,a da je uzrok bila cigareta.Dakle ne povreda,nego smrt.

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An electronic cigarette or electronic cigar that reportedly exploded in a Florida man's mouth was likely one he built himself or modified using parts he purchased online, according to reports.
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UPDATE: Was Exploding E-Cigarette a 'Mod'?
Details slow to emerge on incident, but speculation centers on possible modifications
CSP Daily News | February 20, 2012

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NICEVILLE, Fla. -- An electronic cigarette or electronic cigar that reportedly exploded in a Florida man's mouth was likely one he built himself or modified using parts he purchased online, according to reports.

Last week, the e-cigarette's battery exploded while being used by Tom Holloway, 57, of Niceville, Fla. He was treated for shattered teeth, burns and a chunk taken out of his tongue, according to various reports. Holloway has since been released from the hospital and is recovering from his injuries, reports said.

Given the lack of concrete information available about the nature of the device, CSP Daily News has not reported on the incident as news (See Related Content below to view an editorial concerning coverage of the incident). But the fledgling industry is now offering some theories as to what may have happened.

CSP Daily News reader "phorton" was the first to comment on the editorial: "CSP is exactly on target by withholding this story and the associated sensationalism until all of the facts are in. Based on the evidence I've been able to uncover, it doesn't appear this incident involves an off-the-shelf e-cigarette product but rather what's known in 'vaping' circles as a 'mod.' These are basically homemade devices that are constructed from parts available on the Internet. They are put together by the consumer and usually are modified to produce a 'heavy-duty' nicotine burst typically achieved by using lithium batteries larger than those found in off-the-shelf products. The 'stacking' of batteries is also a common practice and is discouraged even by the 'mod' parts manufacturers."

He added, "We shouldn't condemn an entire emerging industry even if it is determined the consumer played no role in the incident. When and only when the facts have been fully disclosed should judgments be rendered."

Thomas Kiklas, co-founder of the Tobacco Vapor Electronic Cigarette Association, told the Associated Press that the industry knows of no problems with the cigarettes or batteries exploding.

Kiklas said the cigarettes include a small battery and cartridge. The battery is designed to generate an electric charge when the device is inhaled. The charge sets off the vapor in the cigarette tube.

He cited a federal report that found 2.5 million Americans used electronic cigarettes last year. "There have been billions and billions of puffs on the cigarettes, and we have not heard of this happening before," he said.

"What happened is a tragedy, and we hope this is a wakeup call to the industry to institute higher standards," Dan Recio, co-founder of e-cigarette manufacturer V2 Cigs, said in a statement. "We took action against the possibility of electronic issues from the very beginning, with safeguards integrated into our batteries like automatic shutoff and smart chargers that prevent overcharging. We properly age all batteries before shipment and retest mAh to ensure the highest standards."

Chief Butch Parker of the North Bay Fire District responded to the call. "I have never heard of or seen anything like this before," Parker told ABC News. Although the battery was unrecognizable after the incident, Parker reported finding several 3.0 volt CR123A type batteries charging in the room along with a scorched battery case that appeared to be one for a cigar-sized device.

Although the investigation is still not concluded, the battery type and "cigar" appearance of the device indicate Holloway may have been using a custom made "mod" or modified e-cigarette using stacked batteries similar to a flashlight, said Recio. These devices are unlike more popular e-cigs, which have built in digital monitoring and protections, he said.

Modified e-cig devices have a history of explosions and fires dating back several years due to cheap, unprotected lithium ion batteries and the possibility of overcharging the devices, he added. This can result in an electrical fire inside the device which produces a buildup of hydrogen gas resulting in an explosion.

"Consumers need to be careful to choose quality products and follow manufacturer specifications. We have strict quality control standards in place to ensure consumer safety," said Recio.

"People are already aware of the risk that they're taking when they start messing around with electrical components of anything they purchase, whether it's a cell phone, e cigarette, or a microwave," said the operators of E Cigarettes Junction.com, am e-cigarette review website, in a separate statement. "E-cigarettes were engineered by professionals to be used by consumers, not to be dangerously modified by amateurs in a mix 'n' match fashion."

Many electronic items on the market today are modified by their end users who want the product to provide more battery life, faster speed or otherwise higher performance capabilities that it was not designed to endure, it said. E-cigarette companies who have SGS certifications on their products have all met or surpassed the necessary stress tests on their batteries to ensure that they are safe to use for their intended purpose.
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Update sa ECF foruma vezan za ovu priču:
U najkraćim crtama a po viđenju CASAA.

Rezime, skraćena verzija:

* Samo pojedini tipovi mod-ova (XL specials) su podložni.
* Samo metalni "tube" mod-ovi, sa dve baterije, su podložni.
* Drugi tipovi mod-ova nisu podložni.
* Obične e-cigarete nisu podložne (npr. 510, KR808, itd.)
* E-cigarete "srednjeg" segmenta nisu podložne (npr. eGo, Riva, Tornado, itd.)
* Samo metalni "tube" mod-ovi koji koriste 2 baterije, zbog veće voltaže, su vezani za ove eksplozije.
* Ništa drugo nije podložno.

Evo nekih saveta:

- Najbolje je koristiti Li-Mn baterije (kao što su npr. AW "crvene" baterije), ili Li-ion baterije sa zaštitom, u modovima sa 2 baterije (ili čak i svim drugim mod-ovima).
- Proverite da li je "C Rating" baterija (maximum discharge current) koji deklariše proizvođač najmanje 2000mA (2 Ampera). Baterije sa mogućnošću pražnjenja manjim od ovoga NISU POGODNE.
- Nezaštićene Li-ion baterije ili baterije sa "C Rating-om" ispod 2000mA, ne bi trebalo koristiti.
- Idealno, mod bi trebao da ima, kako električna/elektronska, tako i fizička zaštitna svojstva. U tom slučaju neće biti problema, dokle god koristite najbolje baterije koje možete da kupite.
- Ušteda, kada su baterije u pitanju je LOŠ POTEZ.
- Dobre baterije koštaju oko 10$ svaka - baterije od 3$ za mod od 2 baterije uopšte nije dobar izbor. Time samo uvećavate rizik 1000 puta.
- Ako koristite 2 baterije u mod-u, morate biti POSEBNO OPREZNI.
- Samo metalni "tube" mod-ovi sa 2 baterije su eksplodirali u toku upotrebe.
- Ništa drugo nije zahvaćeno ovim.

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hahaha hahahaha koji ludak, eto dokaza, nek se javi filip moris da preuzme snimak i odnese ga u ministarstvo zdravlja :P

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Kod:
http://bgr.com/2013/11/08/ipad-air-explosion-fire/
Kada Ecig eksplodira onda su sve opasne po život ali kada globalno popularni proizvod eksplodira onda je to zbog "faulty wiring" ili " third party" punjača.

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Nije retardirano. Dokazano je da je baterija ipad-a ili iphone-a eksplodirala samo u slucaju koriscenja neispravnog 3rd party punjaca, sto svakako ima logike.


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